Podcast Episode

Avoid These 3 Mistakes When Pitching Design to Leadership
You've done the research. You have the insights. You walk in confident — and it falls flat. In this episode, Gerry unpacks three mistakes designers make when pitching to leadership, including why leading with your methods kills buy-in before you've even started, and what to do instead.
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Gerry Scullion
Head of Service Design
Dublin, Ireland
Gerry Scullion is a human-centred service design practitioner based in Dublin, Ireland. He is the founder and CEO of Humana Design, trading as This is HCD, working primarily with government and public sector clients internationally, and the host of the This is HCD podcast, which has passed 1.7 million downloads across more than 140 countries. He has trained over 3,000 practitioners, and his book This is Human-Centred Design is out with BIS Publishers in February 2027.
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[00:00:00] Hey folks, and welcome to another episode of This Is Eight City, A new [00:00:05] format, a daily. Catch up for everything that's going on in the world [00:00:10] of human-centered design. I'm not gonna mess around. My name's Jerry Scion. Let's get straight into it. [00:00:15] Today, I want to talk to you about three mistakes that I see designers making [00:00:20] over and over again, and they're trying to pitch design to leadership.[00:00:25]
[00:00:25] And look, I have made all of these three mistakes myself, so there's [00:00:30] absolutely no judgment here. It's just hard won lessons. So mistake number [00:00:35] one. Leading with the method instead of the problem. Okay? This is a big [00:00:40] one. When you walk into a room and start talking about user research or [00:00:45] co-design workshops or journey mapping, whatever it is, and the people on the other side of the [00:00:50] table here delay.
[00:00:51] Cost and complexity. They don't have that [00:00:55] framework for understanding and why those things matter. We do, but they don't. [00:01:00] So what they do have is a burning problem that they need to get [00:01:05] solved. So doing this, if we can flip it and lead with their [00:01:10] problem, lead with the thing that is costing them money, time, or [00:01:15] reputation right now, then the only.
[00:01:16] Thing to talk about is how you plan to solve it. [00:01:20] This method really, or the method is the how. We need to focus more on the how [00:01:25] and they need to hear the what and the why first. So [00:01:30] mistake number two, asking for permission instead of proving the [00:01:35] value. Now, I used to do this. All the time. I put together a proposal, [00:01:40] ask for budget, ask for time, ask for head count, whatever it was, [00:01:45] and I'd politely be told, uh, not right now.
[00:01:48] I remember a really [00:01:50] funny instance, in fact, working with a. With a client and um, they really wanted to [00:01:55] help. But the system said no. And when I came into work the next day, they'd actually printed out the [00:02:00] double diamond method and were using scissors to chop it up, to try to figure out a way how it could [00:02:05] get research wrapped into the process.
[00:02:07] It was quite funny, but anyway, maybe you had to be there. [00:02:10] The problem is. You are always asking to invest in something that they have [00:02:15] never seen work inside their organization. If you wanna look for an episode where we speak [00:02:20] about this. Oh, for mov. Uh, last year, myself, we covered this off [00:02:25] really nicely, where we talk about actually, you know, we've, we're asking these [00:02:30] executives to trust in something or someone.
[00:02:33] And they may have like [00:02:35] many, many years working with top consultancies and asking them to invest into [00:02:40] design, uh, and someone that they don't really know is in their world. It's a risk. So what [00:02:45] works better is a stealth project approach. And Mark stick torn, he coined [00:02:50] this phrase, what I believe anyway, coined it a stealth project approach, and it's finding a small, real [00:02:55] problem and fix it using design methods to not ask for permission.[00:03:00]
[00:03:00] Do not make it. Big thing, just quietly solve it and let the results speak [00:03:05] for itself. Get busy doing the work, and once you have that track, track [00:03:10] record of really tangible results, the conversation about investment becomes completely [00:03:15] different. You're not pitching theory anymore, you are pointing at.
[00:03:19] [00:03:20] Evidence now, mistake number three, trying to convert everyone at [00:03:25] once. You do not need a whole organization to believe in design. I see this time and time again when [00:03:30] I'm speaking to clients about training. You know, really there's very low ROI for training. [00:03:35] Hundreds and hundreds of people really focusing on, you know, really who is gonna be [00:03:40] doing the work is the best way to start this off.
[00:03:42] So you need two or three people in the right [00:03:45] positions, and they are your allies. And we need to make sure that they're supported. [00:03:50] So find those people who are already frustrated with how things are done, work with [00:03:55] them, build momentum into pockets. Culture change does not happen through a single [00:04:00] presentation to the leadership team.
[00:04:01] It happens through a series of small, visible wins that [00:04:05] really aim to make people curious. So to recap, [00:04:10] stop leading with methods. Stop asking for permission before you have proof, [00:04:15] and stop trying to win over everyone at the same time, focus your [00:04:20] energy where it will actually make a difference. So if this resonated, check out our [00:04:25] newsletter this week where we go into the depth of what are the deeper into the five [00:04:30] walls that you'll hit when selling design internally.
[00:04:32] The link is in the show notes, and that's it [00:04:35] for today. I hope you find it useful. Share it with someone who needs to hear it, and if you've not [00:04:40] subscribed to our newsletter or checked out the brand new, this is hate cd.com. Go [00:04:45] across and I'll hopefully I'll talk to you [00:04:50] tomorrow.
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